"The key to preventing tragedy is the individual confronting and defying the power of the cult" - Woffwatcher
Perhaps one can begin to TRY to understand being at the center of attention which involves lawyers, and police and court and church and family and onlookers and critics and GOD.
The Michael Lowry case is an example of a young man who felt he was wronged, took action, then changed his mind or was persuaded to change his mind when things got to a certain point.
Michael came close to reaching the level where WOFF may have had to answer for his charges, but ultimately did not. For now.
Others who were "outed" by WOFF may also have some accounts to share, perhaps involving law enforcement and lawyers and the court system. Or not.
This is why documenting everything is so important. Keeping an incident that is worthy of law enforcement or government agency attention fresh in your mind is the best way to protect yourself. Writing it down is important too, but WW is the great anticipator, and you should anticipate that those documents may be intercepted by your handlers, leadership, etc.and this is why you need that extra layer of precaution.
Anticipate everything!
Courage plays a very important part in this process. Credit is given where Michael and others have reported a possible crime and then come to the level where it may become too much for the person to handle after hearing from all sides on how a bad idea this may be. It's only a bad idea if what your have to charge as victim, that the crime never happened, or that the details of the crime are sketchy, or that the pressure is simply too much.
And this IS a big deal. Some are experiencing this ordeal as young and inexperienced in life, whereas others can sink their own ship along the way, as in the case where Jerry videotaped his marching up and down Old Flynn Road, surrounded by WOFF members, which ultimately offset his charge against WOFF.
I am not against you, brothers, I am WITH you.GOD Bless you for trying. There is no doubt you have had your share of criticism along the way, and you would have gotten this bit of caution and other guidance from me had I been able to contact you prior to this mess. I would have advised you to leave out the drama and be quiet and let things happen because those WOFFers just can't help themselves.
OK, we learned something. Document everything, DOES work, only this time in WOFF's favor, in the case where Jerry's videotaping of WOFFers surrounding him was used against him.But, it DOES work.
In the course of this struggle with WOFF, Attempts to fight will be continue, and some will fail, Hence, the cost of doing business.
We now know that we have to be careful and focused and maintain our courage throughout the ordeal. This is why leaving out the drama is important And by this I mean, YOU leave out the drama. The drama will always come to you if YOU leave out the drama while it is being documented. I know that this is asking quite a bit to those who don't fight on a daily basis.
From reading my blogs, you know by now that WW LIVES for the fight. Saying no to people who would take advantage of you, comes naturally, because I do it with teeth. This isn't for everyone. For some, you are born with it, for others it may take years, and for others it may be a one time thing.
I consider this a skill.
I don't expect everyone to have this personal feature. I DO expect for people to step up when they have capital that could change the game for all of us entwined in this WOFF mess.
Through time, observed chatter and my sense of deduction, I have concluded that there are a select number of people both inside and outside WOFF that have the power to bring WOFF to justice right now and are doing nothing about it.
Those people aren't stepping up. I take issue with you as much as I do with residents of your community who just sit on their ass and do nothing about this cult you allow to exist.
This is unacceptable.
You folks need to go to the Justice Department, Family Services, HIPAA, FCC, IRS, Immigration. These are the areas where WOFF is so exposed to investigation, it isn't even funny. There are others; DSS, Board of Realtors, State Bar.
I have a problem with cowards. They are more dangerous than people with a weapon. This is because even THEY don't know what they'll do next.
I have called you out. I know who you are. You need to change this status.
Personally, I can't believe you are afraid of the smiling zombies of
bliss that is WOFF. Trust me, they are more afraid of people spilling the truth about
them than they care to admit. Believe me, I know. These are the same people who dismiss me
as "some blogger" . Yeah guys, "some blogger" who also has skills to
organize and bring forth a movement against you, WOFF & Jane. I sure come up in conversation a lot for just "some blogger".
Remember, Fear is not tolerated here.
-WOFFWATCHER
Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Saturday, January 5, 2013
Document Everything......WORKS!
"If it's a miracle, any sort of evidence will answer. But, if it's a fact, proof is necessary" - MARK TWAIN
If I'm the FBI guy observing on behalf of the Justice Department Friday at the Michael Lowry hearing, there to determine if this case, and the one involving the Grand Jury on the original Michael Lowry complaint warrants an escalation to Federal territory, I can't help but notice the fur clad women present in the courthouse, presumably interested WOFF members, wives or observers, flaunting their comfort and arrogance to the world.
If for just that, they are guilty of posturing, but more-so contradicting the tenets of their faith, at least in in it's most fundamental sense. Nonetheless, thumbing your nose at the world doesn't help your cause, especially when those who would be responsible for bring down your world are present for your day in court. It also screams that leadership is dangerous more so for their cluelessness as well as their inability to avoid the temptation of acting like the sinner in a given situation, like this.
Most defense attorneys will tell their clients to dress as professional or as unassuming as possible to help along their perception. In many cases, the wives and families of the defendants present, also get this type of coaching. But, it's like the smart girl everybody likes (this used to happen to me) who goes and defends her fellow girls actions, and all the while sticks out her tongue at you while the teachers and students celebrate her heroism against you, even though you are really the good one in this action.
No sir, if I'm the FBI guy, I'm taking it all in. Evidence, certainly, need to have evidence. Pattern, absolutely! Handling by local law enforcement, well, that should be interesting. Behavior of defendants, attorneys, court observers with an obvious side in the matter. The court system....now, that's an interesting one. What about the local government. Hmmm, I'd want to look into all of that. What about the southern poverty law center? What does the Trinity Foundation have? How about IRS records?
My personal favorite, who are their friend$?
There is certainly something here that would promote a ticket back to the bureau to look into all of these.
Ex WOFF'ers, current WOFF'ers and others with information, this would be your time to bring your story forth.
The outcome at Friday's hearing was the least of it as attorneys for the defense sloppily, awkwardly, presented their case, as well as motioned to dismiss the charges, including stalking and false imprisonment, to which the judge agreed.
Surprised or entertained?
The more interesting element is what is to come, the FBI agent, further evidence against WOFF for the original Michael Lowry case, and everything else under consideration by the eye.
And, of course, let me remind you, some of you are sitting on some gold right now. It's time.
Despite the victory for WOFF, if WW wants attorneys to lose a case for me, the WOFF guys are the one's I'd call. And would do so with a straight face.
The Judge however, took issue with the way the plaintiffs were surrounded or detained during their encounter with the WOFF members charged, and he DID consider those charges with more scrutiny. The Judge also denied the access of cameras, or in this case, a TV camera into the room to document the proceeding. It would have to be done the old fashioned way. With pen and paper and EARS.
What's this? The Forest City Daily Courier was present to record, albeit also the old fashioned way, the details about the encounter between Jerry Cooper, Michael Lowry and the four WOFF members? How long WAS your nap guys?
Even if this most visible example of how WOFF's days in peace are numbered, there remains the members waiting to expose them in similar ways to Mr. Lowry's case. There are still HIPAA, IRS, FCC, DOJ, State Family Services, Department of Education, Immigration and Homeland Security areas to explore. I say this because if WOFF doesn't, hasn't realized it, they, over time, have been heavily monitored and documented, hence the WATCHER part of this blog's name.
Information, independent of anything I could ever even dream of, is available, and some has already made it's way to interested parties, and a boatload (and I usually use the politically incorrect version of boatload) of information, is just sitting there waiting to be examined and evaluated and acted on. In the time I have been watching WOFF and even before when I was a family member watching as many of you reading this, I have learned quite a bit about this cult. The common denominator here is that WOFF'ers don't try hard enough, don't WANT to try, or don't know HOW to try to fend us of effectively. They are taunting us outside the "church" as sloppy as it gets. They are in over their heads and they don't realize it. And, now that they have a street-fighter in their face, well...........
So, here is what I've learned so far:
They brag and boast about everything. Man alive, you'd think this was a sports bar and their team just sacked the quarterback. No secret is safe in this place. It's just not the furs, check out the hair, the clothes, the cars, the houses....
You know those people who talk real loud on their cell phones and are told by others shut up, and then the loud talkers get mad? Those people. Or, how about the people who let their kids run all over the place and tell the parents to get their kids in control and the parents get mad? Those people. As far as WOFF'ers are concerned, they can do no wrong. Who? Us? What? Really!
They want to pick a verbal battle with you.
Even if you walk on eggs having a conversation with a family member, that is, not bringing anything up that you think might upset them like a birthday, a holiday, how they worship, even if you leave all of that out of your conversation and are just making small talk, they will try to pick something, anything, to which engage you in attacking them. Do you engage them? Well, if you do, they now feel THEY'RE in control of the narrative. They have you playing defense. Even if you verbally beat them to a pulp, as WW has done so many times, they will come away with having felt as they have defended mother Jane and the rest of the zombies of bliss. Don't worry, it's an order put on the membership to go on the attack themselves. In their minds, they are the warriors fighting for the cause. In reality, they are just blowing smoke thinking it's a fire when it's really just....smoke. These people have no skill at arguing a point, talking points and all. Absolutely none. Let 'em think they won. Hey, it's WOFF after all.
Does Jane have an exit plan? It seems that those who drool at the potential of being the next Jane seem to have the scenario already made. It just has to be carefully introduced. The power brokers(meow), such as they are, are incredibly underestimating the consequences of their intended actions, much less are qualified to take on this or any kind of position.. Even Jane isn't qualified to handle Jane's world. I've seen some of the stunts she's pulled that you haven't. And, they are doozies.
When the very people you charge with protecting you wind up getting arrested, how secure are you? Guys: you don't even know when PI's are watching you? Seriously? Wait until the FCC gets wind of their crack security teams' surveillance stash. Gangsta' thugs won't even get this kind of attention.
This one I will save for later. I know enough here that will determine how they move forward. I WILL say their self-unawareness would dispute this and it would be expected.
Not quite, the end is just beginning. It will be slow, it will come in increments. This will take quite a bit of time. Like an onion, this has many layers (and it is a big honking onion).
Stay tuned and....
-WOFFWATCHER
If I'm the FBI guy observing on behalf of the Justice Department Friday at the Michael Lowry hearing, there to determine if this case, and the one involving the Grand Jury on the original Michael Lowry complaint warrants an escalation to Federal territory, I can't help but notice the fur clad women present in the courthouse, presumably interested WOFF members, wives or observers, flaunting their comfort and arrogance to the world.If for just that, they are guilty of posturing, but more-so contradicting the tenets of their faith, at least in in it's most fundamental sense. Nonetheless, thumbing your nose at the world doesn't help your cause, especially when those who would be responsible for bring down your world are present for your day in court. It also screams that leadership is dangerous more so for their cluelessness as well as their inability to avoid the temptation of acting like the sinner in a given situation, like this.
Most defense attorneys will tell their clients to dress as professional or as unassuming as possible to help along their perception. In many cases, the wives and families of the defendants present, also get this type of coaching. But, it's like the smart girl everybody likes (this used to happen to me) who goes and defends her fellow girls actions, and all the while sticks out her tongue at you while the teachers and students celebrate her heroism against you, even though you are really the good one in this action.
No sir, if I'm the FBI guy, I'm taking it all in. Evidence, certainly, need to have evidence. Pattern, absolutely! Handling by local law enforcement, well, that should be interesting. Behavior of defendants, attorneys, court observers with an obvious side in the matter. The court system....now, that's an interesting one. What about the local government. Hmmm, I'd want to look into all of that. What about the southern poverty law center? What does the Trinity Foundation have? How about IRS records?
My personal favorite, who are their friend$?
There is certainly something here that would promote a ticket back to the bureau to look into all of these.
Ex WOFF'ers, current WOFF'ers and others with information, this would be your time to bring your story forth.
The outcome at Friday's hearing was the least of it as attorneys for the defense sloppily, awkwardly, presented their case, as well as motioned to dismiss the charges, including stalking and false imprisonment, to which the judge agreed.
Surprised or entertained?
The more interesting element is what is to come, the FBI agent, further evidence against WOFF for the original Michael Lowry case, and everything else under consideration by the eye.
And, of course, let me remind you, some of you are sitting on some gold right now. It's time.
Despite the victory for WOFF, if WW wants attorneys to lose a case for me, the WOFF guys are the one's I'd call. And would do so with a straight face.
The Judge however, took issue with the way the plaintiffs were surrounded or detained during their encounter with the WOFF members charged, and he DID consider those charges with more scrutiny. The Judge also denied the access of cameras, or in this case, a TV camera into the room to document the proceeding. It would have to be done the old fashioned way. With pen and paper and EARS.
What's this? The Forest City Daily Courier was present to record, albeit also the old fashioned way, the details about the encounter between Jerry Cooper, Michael Lowry and the four WOFF members? How long WAS your nap guys?
Even if this most visible example of how WOFF's days in peace are numbered, there remains the members waiting to expose them in similar ways to Mr. Lowry's case. There are still HIPAA, IRS, FCC, DOJ, State Family Services, Department of Education, Immigration and Homeland Security areas to explore. I say this because if WOFF doesn't, hasn't realized it, they, over time, have been heavily monitored and documented, hence the WATCHER part of this blog's name.
Information, independent of anything I could ever even dream of, is available, and some has already made it's way to interested parties, and a boatload (and I usually use the politically incorrect version of boatload) of information, is just sitting there waiting to be examined and evaluated and acted on. In the time I have been watching WOFF and even before when I was a family member watching as many of you reading this, I have learned quite a bit about this cult. The common denominator here is that WOFF'ers don't try hard enough, don't WANT to try, or don't know HOW to try to fend us of effectively. They are taunting us outside the "church" as sloppy as it gets. They are in over their heads and they don't realize it. And, now that they have a street-fighter in their face, well...........
So, here is what I've learned so far:
They can't keep their mouths shut.
They brag and boast about everything. Man alive, you'd think this was a sports bar and their team just sacked the quarterback. No secret is safe in this place. It's just not the furs, check out the hair, the clothes, the cars, the houses....
They are self unaware.
You know those people who talk real loud on their cell phones and are told by others shut up, and then the loud talkers get mad? Those people. Or, how about the people who let their kids run all over the place and tell the parents to get their kids in control and the parents get mad? Those people. As far as WOFF'ers are concerned, they can do no wrong. Who? Us? What? Really!
They are terrible at lying.
Although family members have told me as well as other members to their family members, that the events raising controversy at WOFF are all lies. This is despite documented proof, police reports, bruises, missing property, and just plain fear from former members.
People watching people they are supposed to watch and then report on, are being watched themselves and they don't even know it. How's THAT for self unaware?
They want to pick a verbal battle with you.
Even if you walk on eggs having a conversation with a family member, that is, not bringing anything up that you think might upset them like a birthday, a holiday, how they worship, even if you leave all of that out of your conversation and are just making small talk, they will try to pick something, anything, to which engage you in attacking them. Do you engage them? Well, if you do, they now feel THEY'RE in control of the narrative. They have you playing defense. Even if you verbally beat them to a pulp, as WW has done so many times, they will come away with having felt as they have defended mother Jane and the rest of the zombies of bliss. Don't worry, it's an order put on the membership to go on the attack themselves. In their minds, they are the warriors fighting for the cause. In reality, they are just blowing smoke thinking it's a fire when it's really just....smoke. These people have no skill at arguing a point, talking points and all. Absolutely none. Let 'em think they won. Hey, it's WOFF after all.
The infighting in this organization is staggering.
Does Jane have an exit plan? It seems that those who drool at the potential of being the next Jane seem to have the scenario already made. It just has to be carefully introduced. The power brokers(meow), such as they are, are incredibly underestimating the consequences of their intended actions, much less are qualified to take on this or any kind of position.. Even Jane isn't qualified to handle Jane's world. I've seen some of the stunts she's pulled that you haven't. And, they are doozies.
Security? What Security?
When the very people you charge with protecting you wind up getting arrested, how secure are you? Guys: you don't even know when PI's are watching you? Seriously? Wait until the FCC gets wind of their crack security teams' surveillance stash. Gangsta' thugs won't even get this kind of attention.
Financial troubles.
So, is the end near?
DOCUMENT EVERYTHING! (resist the drama, make the drama all come from them and record it)
Because we now know it works!
Because we now know it works!
-WOFFWATCHER
Tuesday, December 4, 2012
WOFF in Review
Love is giving someone the ability to destroy you, but trusting them not to - Anon
Recent incidents, including arrests involving WOFF members, have put the "'church" back in the mainstream news.
For a recap, here's a few links that will get you up to speed:
http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wlos_vid_9593.shtml#.UKevZ2RK3_0.facebook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2nLX8gjBfk&feature=plcp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61KMzz31rM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPpbmDDRm8M&list=FLMD4KEe1Ly8S7HHifNA-2vQ&index=9&feature=plpp_video
and the WW links blog to more links: http://woffwatch.blogspot.com/2011/10/links-to-word-of-faith-fellowship.html
UPDATE
Grand Jury seating was interrupted today (12/10/12) by the discovery of a WOFF member possibly having been among those hearing the complaint by Michael Lowry for an incident reported by him in 2011 on WOFF property. It's not known at this time whether the District Attorney will seek a change of venue or other legal or law enforcement intervention.
If this a is a maneuver by WOFF's legal team to buy time and cost Mr. Lowry time and money, it could be to their client's (WOFF) peril as a change in venue would not give them home field advantage. One would think that people outside the WOFF community's reach might be able to look at things more clearly. Perhaps a community not under the influence of WOFF might not tolerate such nonsense as well as consider their track record. Let's see how this works. My considered opinion is that this will come back to bite them. One step forwards, two steps back.
Otherwise, sometime in January 2013 four WOFF security team members will appear in court to address charges of misdemeanor stalking and false imprisonment, a separate incident featured in a story reported by WLOS TV..
In the 18 or so months that WoffWatcher has joined the cause to challenge WOFF, visitors to this site have viewed WOFF related links as well as lessons, a letter to Jane, suggestions on how to leave WOFF, inspirational messages and overall "in your face""tough love".
If you've just navigated your way here via search engines or the very well written newspaper story about WOFF, and just now have realized they have opponents in the form of critics and blogs, read on. You'll find the WW body of work. This newspaper piece has been picked up by national and international media and continues to draw strong interest, if the boost in traffic to this blog is any indication.
Over time, it might be easy for the message to get muddled, particularly if you haven't followed WW or WOFF from day one, so it would be a good idea to review the WW position. Let's sort out what's clear and what's wrong.
It should be noted here that WW has no issue with a person worshiping God. WW does have a problem with someone appointing themselves as a direct line to GOD and then skewing the rules.
Now then, WW seeks to bring awareness about the WOFF (Protestant and Non-Denominational) culture and practices. This congregation has a history of documented controversy, as well as a tumultuous relationship with some residents in it's community, with family members of WOFF members who are not members themselves, as well as a cozy and sometimes secret relationship with business and political enablers who seek mutual gain, as with family members of WOFF members who are not members themselves.
So, in order to create context here are a few highlights:
Among WOFF's core belief is that everyone has devils and thus needs deliverance. Sam and Jane Whaley believe that deliverance is essential.
Prospective members must sign a release before they can join WOFF (courtesy religiouscultsinfo.com)
They are heavy on information control
They have a published Don't Do list (courtesy religiouscultsinfo.com)
They are bothered by blue jeans
They do not celebrate holidays and birthdays
Many WOFF members have a desirable comfort zone in their mind and heart to rationalize whhy they stay at WOFF.
Cremation is thought to be the curse of the wicked
There is dependency on Jane's approval on many decisions including courting, marriage and having sex but also where to live, where to work, how to dress.
Jane Whaley believes she is "perfect"
Some members are screamed at or "blasted" to get devils out of them
Some members have reported that they were confined in what is called "the Fourth Building"
Some members claim, per police incident reports, that they were beaten and or followed around the community or stalked.
Their dependency on secrecy
The "church" encourages or recommend their members cut ties with their non member families, resulting in Broken Families
"Church" members must work at "approved" or "designated" (by WOFF) businesses.
A Formidable(?) legal defense
A Security(?) Team
Reports of members having host families go through their mail
Reports of host families listening in on phone conversations
Chaperoning of members when going outside the church or for visits out of town
Chaperoning of patients visiting their Doctor
It reportedly takes $20,000 a week to run the organization (what's 20k times 52 weeks?)
So, one could surmise that this group is a cult? Indeed, it shows many cult characteristics.
However, no one sets out to join a cult.
Similarities among cult leaders include sharing early experiences of neglect, many resulting in narcissistic tendencies.
Could Jane's early experience growing up with TWO fathers have contributed to this mix?
The underlying concern here is that once cornered, cult leaders have been prone toward the destruction of the cult.
Hence the WW message.
WW challenges WOFF practices and doctrine of a fear based message. This is not a rational dialogue on theology. They don't wish to see themselves in the broader society.
WW challenges the control that the "church" imposes on it's members.
WW challenges the concept, much less the actual practice of having prospective WOFF members to sign a release before they can become members.
WW challenges the "church" and it's leadership on transparency, both financial and organizational.
WW challenges non member business ties with "enablers" who financially or otherwise favor WOFF resulting in financial gain or power.
WW challenges Jane Whaley to account for her personal finances and accommodations as a result of being the head of WOFF. Do you need 65 acres?
WW challenges WOFF leadership and other WOFF members who aspire to take control of the "church" at some point in the near future, to admit that they have other ideas about how the church should run.
WW challenges Jane Whaley's capability of making a transition from the status quo to a more mainstream congregation with transparency.
Jane is consistently ignoring good advice beginning with facing her and the "church's" weaknesses. Jane relies too much on her version of faith.
WW challenges WOFF to stop using foreign exchange "students" to perform work for them without pay.
WW challenges WOFF to admit their members own a stockpile of surveillance equipment.
WW challenges WOFF to stop chaperoning WOFF members as patients at Doctors and Hospital visits as it could violate HIPAA
WW challenges WOFF to produce flight plans for out of town trips on private jets.
WOFF members and leadership have responded to blogs and critical opinion as "attacks" thereby labeling it "persecution" .
That response doesn't work. The challenges are numerous. But they are challenges. They are not attacks.
If they have nothing to hide, well, then let's see it.
As a result, WOFF prefers to play the victim instead of meeting the challenges.
My experience has taught me that anyone that responds to challenge using a tactic instead of meeting the challenge, is prone to be a professional manipulator. How interesting that they chose this response instead of with welcome transparency.
Misinformation and self unawareness brought down the Republican party's bid for a presidency. They had no clue they would lose because they kept telling themselves they would win despite not having any clear math to back up their zeal.
Misinformation is pervasive in our society and so WOFF hides behind the POSSIBILITY that blogs and critics are feeding the same misinformation.
The math they like is the math that fit's their version of reality.
WOFF's only response to WW and other critics/blogs are that we are lying.
They can't back up those accusations.
WE can back up ours.
WOFF: How is the humiliation you suffer in public or from critics/blogs any different from the humiliation you place on your members inside the walls? Is it OK if YOU do it to yourselves?
The issues that WW brings here are of lack of freedom, lack of transparency, carelessness, manipulation, and self unawareness. These issues, more than any one person or organization or government agency, are likely to bring down an organization such as this alone, even before intervention.
WW compels it's readers to ask questions. So here's a starter kit:
Does your church follows or monitors it's members?
Does your church boast about spending millions defending itself?
Does your church allegedly allow violence against those it perceives as different from them and posts signs about how it welcomes all kinds of people, after the fact?
Does your church attract controversy?
WW has identified most of the players in this situation, however, there are two more worth noting.
WW must also chide the community and local media for not taking a pro active position in this matter, or in this case opposition. People in the area certainly do have an opinion and or experience to share. But ask them to take a stand....well, no.
Folks, this is unacceptable. This means you can live with this in your own community. How sad, but more to the point, cowardly.
Same goes for you Forest City newspaper. Your connections to WOFF or concern for the bottom line poses a dilemma. Are you a business masquerading as journalists or are some or one of you on the WOFF payroll? WW gets more news from WOFF chatter than you dole out in your newspaper. Your coverage of this organization is embarrassingly weak.
Together, weak media coverage and community indifference have fed the growth of what we know now to be WOFF.
Both of you should be ashamed of helping groom this mess.
Thank goodness for the area's Faith Freedom Fund. This is a coalition of churches in the area that HAVE pooled their resources to help those leaving or affected by the WOFF organization.
805 Oakland Road
WW does not fool itself into believing that the upcoming court proceedings will explore all discussed here. It expects for the courts to consider the specific charges and accusations and deal with it accordingly. However, the attention won't go away once the dust has settled. Too much new interest may have attracted the right number of those who would seek to investigate further. And, we urge you to.
Facts and time and pro activity and courage and common sense will ultimately prevail. We will find the truth through these ingredients, unless WOFF tries to suppress it or respond that the truth are lies. The holes in their system prevent them from going forward, and will ultimately stop them.
There is still time to get this straight.
We should avoid any further tragedy, WOFF, you need to stop. And now. You can't buy credibility. But you need to get it and fast. You can break those barriers and still live without persecution. The only power you have is to change the direction of your congregation before someone in your congregation, the government, or I, make it so.
As always, Real faith is always willing to be challenged.
Document Everything
ASK QUESTIONS
-Woffwatcher
Recent incidents, including arrests involving WOFF members, have put the "'church" back in the mainstream news.
For a recap, here's a few links that will get you up to speed:
http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wlos_vid_9593.shtml#.UKevZ2RK3_0.facebook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2nLX8gjBfk&feature=plcp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61KMzz31rM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPpbmDDRm8M&list=FLMD4KEe1Ly8S7HHifNA-2vQ&index=9&feature=plpp_video
and the WW links blog to more links: http://woffwatch.blogspot.com/2011/10/links-to-word-of-faith-fellowship.html
UPDATE
Grand Jury seating was interrupted today (12/10/12) by the discovery of a WOFF member possibly having been among those hearing the complaint by Michael Lowry for an incident reported by him in 2011 on WOFF property. It's not known at this time whether the District Attorney will seek a change of venue or other legal or law enforcement intervention.
If this a is a maneuver by WOFF's legal team to buy time and cost Mr. Lowry time and money, it could be to their client's (WOFF) peril as a change in venue would not give them home field advantage. One would think that people outside the WOFF community's reach might be able to look at things more clearly. Perhaps a community not under the influence of WOFF might not tolerate such nonsense as well as consider their track record. Let's see how this works. My considered opinion is that this will come back to bite them. One step forwards, two steps back.
Otherwise, sometime in January 2013 four WOFF security team members will appear in court to address charges of misdemeanor stalking and false imprisonment, a separate incident featured in a story reported by WLOS TV..
In the 18 or so months that WoffWatcher has joined the cause to challenge WOFF, visitors to this site have viewed WOFF related links as well as lessons, a letter to Jane, suggestions on how to leave WOFF, inspirational messages and overall "in your face""tough love".
If you've just navigated your way here via search engines or the very well written newspaper story about WOFF, and just now have realized they have opponents in the form of critics and blogs, read on. You'll find the WW body of work. This newspaper piece has been picked up by national and international media and continues to draw strong interest, if the boost in traffic to this blog is any indication.
Over time, it might be easy for the message to get muddled, particularly if you haven't followed WW or WOFF from day one, so it would be a good idea to review the WW position. Let's sort out what's clear and what's wrong.
It should be noted here that WW has no issue with a person worshiping God. WW does have a problem with someone appointing themselves as a direct line to GOD and then skewing the rules.
Now then, WW seeks to bring awareness about the WOFF (Protestant and Non-Denominational) culture and practices. This congregation has a history of documented controversy, as well as a tumultuous relationship with some residents in it's community, with family members of WOFF members who are not members themselves, as well as a cozy and sometimes secret relationship with business and political enablers who seek mutual gain, as with family members of WOFF members who are not members themselves.
So, in order to create context here are a few highlights:
Among WOFF's core belief is that everyone has devils and thus needs deliverance. Sam and Jane Whaley believe that deliverance is essential.
Prospective members must sign a release before they can join WOFF (courtesy religiouscultsinfo.com)
They are heavy on information control
They have a published Don't Do list (courtesy religiouscultsinfo.com)
They are bothered by blue jeans
They do not celebrate holidays and birthdays
Many WOFF members have a desirable comfort zone in their mind and heart to rationalize whhy they stay at WOFF.
Cremation is thought to be the curse of the wicked
There is dependency on Jane's approval on many decisions including courting, marriage and having sex but also where to live, where to work, how to dress.
Jane Whaley believes she is "perfect"
Some members are screamed at or "blasted" to get devils out of them
Some members have reported that they were confined in what is called "the Fourth Building"
Some members claim, per police incident reports, that they were beaten and or followed around the community or stalked.
Their dependency on secrecy
The "church" encourages or recommend their members cut ties with their non member families, resulting in Broken Families
"Church" members must work at "approved" or "designated" (by WOFF) businesses.
A Formidable(?) legal defense
A Security(?) Team
Reports of members having host families go through their mail
Reports of host families listening in on phone conversations
Chaperoning of members when going outside the church or for visits out of town
Chaperoning of patients visiting their Doctor
It reportedly takes $20,000 a week to run the organization (what's 20k times 52 weeks?)
So, one could surmise that this group is a cult? Indeed, it shows many cult characteristics.
However, no one sets out to join a cult.
Similarities among cult leaders include sharing early experiences of neglect, many resulting in narcissistic tendencies.
Could Jane's early experience growing up with TWO fathers have contributed to this mix?
The underlying concern here is that once cornered, cult leaders have been prone toward the destruction of the cult.
Hence the WW message.
WW challenges WOFF practices and doctrine of a fear based message. This is not a rational dialogue on theology. They don't wish to see themselves in the broader society.
WW challenges the control that the "church" imposes on it's members.
WW challenges the concept, much less the actual practice of having prospective WOFF members to sign a release before they can become members.
WW challenges the "church" and it's leadership on transparency, both financial and organizational.
WW challenges non member business ties with "enablers" who financially or otherwise favor WOFF resulting in financial gain or power.
WW challenges Jane Whaley to account for her personal finances and accommodations as a result of being the head of WOFF. Do you need 65 acres?
WW challenges WOFF leadership and other WOFF members who aspire to take control of the "church" at some point in the near future, to admit that they have other ideas about how the church should run.
WW challenges Jane Whaley's capability of making a transition from the status quo to a more mainstream congregation with transparency.
Jane is consistently ignoring good advice beginning with facing her and the "church's" weaknesses. Jane relies too much on her version of faith.
WW challenges WOFF to stop using foreign exchange "students" to perform work for them without pay.
WW challenges WOFF to admit their members own a stockpile of surveillance equipment.
WW challenges WOFF to stop chaperoning WOFF members as patients at Doctors and Hospital visits as it could violate HIPAA
WW challenges WOFF to produce flight plans for out of town trips on private jets.
WOFF members and leadership have responded to blogs and critical opinion as "attacks" thereby labeling it "persecution" .
That response doesn't work. The challenges are numerous. But they are challenges. They are not attacks.
If they have nothing to hide, well, then let's see it.
As a result, WOFF prefers to play the victim instead of meeting the challenges.
My experience has taught me that anyone that responds to challenge using a tactic instead of meeting the challenge, is prone to be a professional manipulator. How interesting that they chose this response instead of with welcome transparency.
Misinformation and self unawareness brought down the Republican party's bid for a presidency. They had no clue they would lose because they kept telling themselves they would win despite not having any clear math to back up their zeal.
Misinformation is pervasive in our society and so WOFF hides behind the POSSIBILITY that blogs and critics are feeding the same misinformation.
The math they like is the math that fit's their version of reality.
WOFF's only response to WW and other critics/blogs are that we are lying.
They can't back up those accusations.
WE can back up ours.
WOFF: How is the humiliation you suffer in public or from critics/blogs any different from the humiliation you place on your members inside the walls? Is it OK if YOU do it to yourselves?
The issues that WW brings here are of lack of freedom, lack of transparency, carelessness, manipulation, and self unawareness. These issues, more than any one person or organization or government agency, are likely to bring down an organization such as this alone, even before intervention.
WW compels it's readers to ask questions. So here's a starter kit:
Does your church follows or monitors it's members?
Does your church boast about spending millions defending itself?
Does your church allegedly allow violence against those it perceives as different from them and posts signs about how it welcomes all kinds of people, after the fact?
Does your church attract controversy?
WW has identified most of the players in this situation, however, there are two more worth noting.
WW must also chide the community and local media for not taking a pro active position in this matter, or in this case opposition. People in the area certainly do have an opinion and or experience to share. But ask them to take a stand....well, no.
Folks, this is unacceptable. This means you can live with this in your own community. How sad, but more to the point, cowardly.
Same goes for you Forest City newspaper. Your connections to WOFF or concern for the bottom line poses a dilemma. Are you a business masquerading as journalists or are some or one of you on the WOFF payroll? WW gets more news from WOFF chatter than you dole out in your newspaper. Your coverage of this organization is embarrassingly weak.
Together, weak media coverage and community indifference have fed the growth of what we know now to be WOFF.
Both of you should be ashamed of helping groom this mess.
Thank goodness for the area's Faith Freedom Fund. This is a coalition of churches in the area that HAVE pooled their resources to help those leaving or affected by the WOFF organization.
805 Oakland Road
Spindale, NC 28160
828-286-2361
WW does not fool itself into believing that the upcoming court proceedings will explore all discussed here. It expects for the courts to consider the specific charges and accusations and deal with it accordingly. However, the attention won't go away once the dust has settled. Too much new interest may have attracted the right number of those who would seek to investigate further. And, we urge you to.Facts and time and pro activity and courage and common sense will ultimately prevail. We will find the truth through these ingredients, unless WOFF tries to suppress it or respond that the truth are lies. The holes in their system prevent them from going forward, and will ultimately stop them.
There is still time to get this straight.
We should avoid any further tragedy, WOFF, you need to stop. And now. You can't buy credibility. But you need to get it and fast. You can break those barriers and still live without persecution. The only power you have is to change the direction of your congregation before someone in your congregation, the government, or I, make it so.
As always, Real faith is always willing to be challenged.
Document Everything
ASK QUESTIONS
-Woffwatcher
Monday, October 22, 2012
A Heightened Sense of Urgency
You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face.
You must do the things which you think you cannot do.
-Eleanor Roosevelt
According to a recent story published on WLOS TV in Asheville, NC, and several newspapers across the United States, local law enforcement served warrants for the arrest of four people, reportedly WOFF members, for allegedly stalking and imprisonment against Michael Lowry, a former WOFF member.
This story also makes reference to an incident that allegedly occurred on August 1, 2011, in which former Mr. Lowry says he was beaten.
There is no doubt that WOFF will vigorously defend these charges within the court system.
But now, there are TWO incidents in which they will have to answer.
If anything, this most recent incident might just give the previous one credibility, if the facts are correct.
I must emphasize that there must be enough facts for a grand jury to pursue the matter further. Any inconsistency or lack of proof will hinder this investigation from going further.
This is why WW has said in previous blogs: DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. Witnesses are most important as well.
It is now as timely as ever for someone else to come forward if they feel they have been a victim of a crime, civil rights violation or something they believe was performed upon them unjustly.
If you believe a crime or violation of civil rights was committed against you? If so, report it to authorities.
If you feel your mail has been read without your knowing or consent, contact the Postal Authorities. If you feel your internet or phone is being monitored or jammed, contact the FCC. If you feel you are being followed or stalked, call the Police. If you feel you have been held against your will, contact the authorities, WOFF can't hold you forever.
Researching WOFF? Here are some links.
Otherwise readers, pay attention to names and faces of people involved in the investigation and defending of these incidents. Depending on the outcome, some key WOFF members or enablers will help identify themselves through their participation in these matters.
This is what I have ALSO said in previous blogs. It might just take one incident for a series of investigations on matters similar and matters related, to commence. This is why I have said that WOFF cannot afford multiple or even just one legal fight that will spark international attention on this congregation. Enough investigations and attention will ultimately bring an end to the WOFF you know now.
WOFF'ers have boasted they win every court battle. No you haven't. You won the one's you won and the others involved a settlement, which isn't winning. And you've lost some.
And, if not. Don't forget to read the DETERMINATION blog here on WW.
Regardless of your sexual orientation, political affiliation, skin color, way to worship, etc, I think we can agree that ALL people need to be treated with respect and dignity.
Worship on, Woffer's. WW does not hate nor deny you to worship God, it's just not done the way it has. If authorities have to be called to your campus ever time someone feels they have been victimized, then you're going to be called on it every time. And WW will be here to yell at you.
And those of you who are just waiting for the moment to escape WOFF, and I know for a fact there are, there is a heightened sense of tension going on in your community,
you may have to make that call on your own, given the latest current events. They may be extra cautious, or NOT. Don't forget the FAITH FREEDOM FUND can help you.
805 Oakland Road
And if you can't inventory your belongings and leave them behind, give all of them names as in your friends, or pets or things you know from the past that only you know. This will help you DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. i.e. computer-"Becky", phone is: MATT...Write it down as soon as you are out and file a Police report.
Finally, I have pondered an oportune time to blog about WOFF's phony involvement and association with Holocaust victims and survivors. So, here it is. These people have unknowingly been victimized by WOFF's association with them all the while likening themselves to some of the persecution the Jewish people faced during WW II.
It is most interesting to see that while WOFF'ers believe THEY are victims of persecution, WOFF'ers are also guilty of persecuting people whose sexual preference they find, different, or disturbing, or disagree. The NAZI'S practiced this. So, you guys cherry pick your church practice?
Families and people, stay cool. These are tumultuous times. We must stay calm and resonable and let the law handle each incident with it's due course. If not, we still have time. They will make more mistakes. I say MORE because the ones from the past they cannot undo, and will be subject to investigation. Otherwise, don't make this worse than it is. Let's hope, watch, pray, help if we can, and pray some more. WW does not tolerate or endorse violence as a means to and end.
Finally, Jane, you still owe us an apology.
-WOFFWATCHER
woffwatch@gmail.com
glad to see your comments, anonymous or otherwise..
You must do the things which you think you cannot do.
-Eleanor Roosevelt
According to a recent story published on WLOS TV in Asheville, NC, and several newspapers across the United States, local law enforcement served warrants for the arrest of four people, reportedly WOFF members, for allegedly stalking and imprisonment against Michael Lowry, a former WOFF member.
This story also makes reference to an incident that allegedly occurred on August 1, 2011, in which former Mr. Lowry says he was beaten.
There is no doubt that WOFF will vigorously defend these charges within the court system.
But now, there are TWO incidents in which they will have to answer.
If anything, this most recent incident might just give the previous one credibility, if the facts are correct.
I must emphasize that there must be enough facts for a grand jury to pursue the matter further. Any inconsistency or lack of proof will hinder this investigation from going further.
This is why WW has said in previous blogs: DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. Witnesses are most important as well.
It is now as timely as ever for someone else to come forward if they feel they have been a victim of a crime, civil rights violation or something they believe was performed upon them unjustly.
If you believe a crime or violation of civil rights was committed against you? If so, report it to authorities.
If you feel your mail has been read without your knowing or consent, contact the Postal Authorities. If you feel your internet or phone is being monitored or jammed, contact the FCC. If you feel you are being followed or stalked, call the Police. If you feel you have been held against your will, contact the authorities, WOFF can't hold you forever.
Researching WOFF? Here are some links.
Otherwise readers, pay attention to names and faces of people involved in the investigation and defending of these incidents. Depending on the outcome, some key WOFF members or enablers will help identify themselves through their participation in these matters.
This is what I have ALSO said in previous blogs. It might just take one incident for a series of investigations on matters similar and matters related, to commence. This is why I have said that WOFF cannot afford multiple or even just one legal fight that will spark international attention on this congregation. Enough investigations and attention will ultimately bring an end to the WOFF you know now.
WOFF'ers have boasted they win every court battle. No you haven't. You won the one's you won and the others involved a settlement, which isn't winning. And you've lost some.
And, if not. Don't forget to read the DETERMINATION blog here on WW.
Regardless of your sexual orientation, political affiliation, skin color, way to worship, etc, I think we can agree that ALL people need to be treated with respect and dignity.
Worship on, Woffer's. WW does not hate nor deny you to worship God, it's just not done the way it has. If authorities have to be called to your campus ever time someone feels they have been victimized, then you're going to be called on it every time. And WW will be here to yell at you.
And those of you who are just waiting for the moment to escape WOFF, and I know for a fact there are, there is a heightened sense of tension going on in your community,
you may have to make that call on your own, given the latest current events. They may be extra cautious, or NOT. Don't forget the FAITH FREEDOM FUND can help you.
805 Oakland Road
Spindale, NC 28160
828-286-2361
And if you can't inventory your belongings and leave them behind, give all of them names as in your friends, or pets or things you know from the past that only you know. This will help you DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. i.e. computer-"Becky", phone is: MATT...Write it down as soon as you are out and file a Police report.Finally, I have pondered an oportune time to blog about WOFF's phony involvement and association with Holocaust victims and survivors. So, here it is. These people have unknowingly been victimized by WOFF's association with them all the while likening themselves to some of the persecution the Jewish people faced during WW II.
It is most interesting to see that while WOFF'ers believe THEY are victims of persecution, WOFF'ers are also guilty of persecuting people whose sexual preference they find, different, or disturbing, or disagree. The NAZI'S practiced this. So, you guys cherry pick your church practice?
Families and people, stay cool. These are tumultuous times. We must stay calm and resonable and let the law handle each incident with it's due course. If not, we still have time. They will make more mistakes. I say MORE because the ones from the past they cannot undo, and will be subject to investigation. Otherwise, don't make this worse than it is. Let's hope, watch, pray, help if we can, and pray some more. WW does not tolerate or endorse violence as a means to and end.
Finally, Jane, you still owe us an apology.
-WOFFWATCHER
woffwatch@gmail.com
glad to see your comments, anonymous or otherwise..
Thursday, September 20, 2012
Stand Up For Yourself
"The only reason for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" -Edmund Burke
During the past month, I have watched and listened carefully at all things WOFF.
I wondered if my absence providing current blogs since mid August would be conspicuous.
It was.
In previous blogs I have mentioned that I monitor all traffic, the visible and the intentionally invisible, to see who is accessing this blog. My regulars were just that, visiting the site regularly to glean from the invaluable links that I have gathered over time and, presumably, visits to other less visited blogs written here since July '11. During that time, I found people from many interesting places have come here: England, Germany, Brazil, Russia, Africa, Name any Scandinavian country, Japan, France, Southeast Asia, Australia and almost EVERY state in the U.S.
The Brazil and Scandinavian countries are noteworthy because WOFF ministries have extended their reach to these places for some time now. But the regularity of visits here are telling, because they too, have questions, or doubts, or seek information, just like folks here in the U.S.
Many of you have been looking for newer, fresher blogs. Thank you for continuing to visit this site.
I CAN tell you that the "Letter to Jane" was a major hit. It is up there with the blogs"Document Everything" , "Never Underestimate the Power..."and "Let's tell Leadership..." with the highest hits and traffic.
So, I am still here. I don't plan on going anywhere.
I have surmised that the two blogs connecting WOFF people, that is, families of members, and members themselves, and those contemplating joining WOFF, come here, and to religiouscultsinfo.com for ANY information, analysis, rants, comparisons, etc.
Let me say that the "rants" almost ALWAYS originate here, as I have said before that my aim is to get in WOFF's face and call them out.
While leadership at WOFF publicly, or even among themselves, wish to think that WOFFWATCHER is just a rant blog packed with lies, I know from chatter that they are unsettled by my calling them out, but more so the concern is that there is other work involved in bringing WOFF down.
John Huddle's religiouscultsinfo inside view to the world of WOFF and culture is heartbreaking and jaw dropping. His personal accounts are compelling. His analysis and comparisons are top notch. I learn something every time I read John's blog. His blog is must read for everyone with WOFF concerns.
WOFFWATCHER, on the other hand, is like the kid in school who just won't put up with bullies, questions the system, and creates awareness when the air is foul.
Just so you know, I WAS that kid in school. When I reached 6th grade, my father was horrified to learn how I handled bullies without ever having to confront them again, through High School.
The WOFFWATCHER blog has made conclusions and comparisons viewed by some people as "reaching" or "out in left field", and that perspective is respected however I have to consider most of those views come from those not familiar with the culture or government or social perspective in which I am well versed. And I am glad it is LEFT field!
My lessons, comparisons and such, are perhaps asking the reader to be proactive.
This is why I believe that lessons aren't enough. They make my point, they may inspire, but the person needs out, the family needing answers, the interested person researching WOFF...is just reading.
My blogs are calls to action. They are intended as intellectual ammunition against those who would scoff at the very idea you might be questioning them.
"Just Say No" also works here WOFF members, when they tell you to do something that you question.
The thing I don't understand is when WOFF leadership tells you to go stand in the corner, go to the fourth building, give up your phone and so on...is that you meekly just agree to their punishment or treatment of you.
REMEMBER THESE AND KEEP STORED IN YOUR HEAD...YOU WILL NEED THEM.....
I have said time and time again, that people approach opposition, particularly in the case of confronting WOFF leadership, are too nice about it, thinking that it would be civilized to do so. However, WOFF leadership is anything but civil when confronted with the truth, or questions, or just saying no.
You can't fight this way. You can't solve the problem this way. They sure won't.
And, if you are among those that believe that "going down to their level" is beneath you, or not in your format, you need to rethink that. Everyone that is "high minded" like this, loses. I know from experience.You must fight every battle at the level it comes for the opposition knows the message loud and clear. They have to know that you understand their position, make them understand YOURS , in their language.
So, Let me start....
If you think that this loud, thorn in their side is just a rant blog, think again.
Yes, I am giving you ideas and perspective. Yes, I am inspiring you to stand up for yourself. Yes, I have a vested interest because I have family there.
I believe I have lesson-ed you and myself to exhaustion. So, future blogs will contain more calls to action, more like: "in your face". Hopefully more useful ways of confronting them and ideas on who to contact when they step out of line.
WOFF has a long trail of mistakes ready made for someone to blow the whistle. The sad part, WOFF doesn't think they've done anything wrong.
And I am not pinning my hopes on this blog ranting, or just providing links, or hoping YOU will take it upon yourself to turn them in to a government agency,etc.,WOFFWATCHER continues to be proactive until this mess is done.
-WOFFWATCHER
During the past month, I have watched and listened carefully at all things WOFF.
I wondered if my absence providing current blogs since mid August would be conspicuous.
It was.
In previous blogs I have mentioned that I monitor all traffic, the visible and the intentionally invisible, to see who is accessing this blog. My regulars were just that, visiting the site regularly to glean from the invaluable links that I have gathered over time and, presumably, visits to other less visited blogs written here since July '11. During that time, I found people from many interesting places have come here: England, Germany, Brazil, Russia, Africa, Name any Scandinavian country, Japan, France, Southeast Asia, Australia and almost EVERY state in the U.S.
The Brazil and Scandinavian countries are noteworthy because WOFF ministries have extended their reach to these places for some time now. But the regularity of visits here are telling, because they too, have questions, or doubts, or seek information, just like folks here in the U.S.
Many of you have been looking for newer, fresher blogs. Thank you for continuing to visit this site.
I CAN tell you that the "Letter to Jane" was a major hit. It is up there with the blogs"Document Everything" , "Never Underestimate the Power..."and "Let's tell Leadership..." with the highest hits and traffic.
So, I am still here. I don't plan on going anywhere.
I have surmised that the two blogs connecting WOFF people, that is, families of members, and members themselves, and those contemplating joining WOFF, come here, and to religiouscultsinfo.com for ANY information, analysis, rants, comparisons, etc.
Let me say that the "rants" almost ALWAYS originate here, as I have said before that my aim is to get in WOFF's face and call them out.
While leadership at WOFF publicly, or even among themselves, wish to think that WOFFWATCHER is just a rant blog packed with lies, I know from chatter that they are unsettled by my calling them out, but more so the concern is that there is other work involved in bringing WOFF down.
John Huddle's religiouscultsinfo inside view to the world of WOFF and culture is heartbreaking and jaw dropping. His personal accounts are compelling. His analysis and comparisons are top notch. I learn something every time I read John's blog. His blog is must read for everyone with WOFF concerns.
WOFFWATCHER, on the other hand, is like the kid in school who just won't put up with bullies, questions the system, and creates awareness when the air is foul.
Just so you know, I WAS that kid in school. When I reached 6th grade, my father was horrified to learn how I handled bullies without ever having to confront them again, through High School.
The WOFFWATCHER blog has made conclusions and comparisons viewed by some people as "reaching" or "out in left field", and that perspective is respected however I have to consider most of those views come from those not familiar with the culture or government or social perspective in which I am well versed. And I am glad it is LEFT field!
My lessons, comparisons and such, are perhaps asking the reader to be proactive.
This is why I believe that lessons aren't enough. They make my point, they may inspire, but the person needs out, the family needing answers, the interested person researching WOFF...is just reading.
My blogs are calls to action. They are intended as intellectual ammunition against those who would scoff at the very idea you might be questioning them.
"Just Say No" also works here WOFF members, when they tell you to do something that you question.
The thing I don't understand is when WOFF leadership tells you to go stand in the corner, go to the fourth building, give up your phone and so on...is that you meekly just agree to their punishment or treatment of you.
HAVE SOME GUTS PEOPLE! Stand up to these lying, pretentious, charlatans and take charge of your own life.
REMEMBER THESE AND KEEP STORED IN YOUR HEAD...YOU WILL NEED THEM.....
USE WHEN NECESSARY
ENOUGH
NO
WHY?
THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH
BACK IT UP WITH PROOF
ACTIONS
COMPLAIN
DOCUMENT EVERYTHING
CALL THE POLICE WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN DETAINED
CALL THE POLICE IF YOU HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED
CALL THE POLICE IF YOU HAVE HAD YOUR PROPERTY CONFISCATED
CALL AN ATTORNEY IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE BEEN SLANDERED
GET OUT
DOCUMENT EVERYTHING
CALL THE POLICE WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN DETAINED
CALL THE POLICE IF YOU HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED
CALL THE POLICE IF YOU HAVE HAD YOUR PROPERTY CONFISCATED
CALL AN ATTORNEY IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE BEEN SLANDERED
GET OUT
I have said time and time again, that people approach opposition, particularly in the case of confronting WOFF leadership, are too nice about it, thinking that it would be civilized to do so. However, WOFF leadership is anything but civil when confronted with the truth, or questions, or just saying no.
You can't fight this way. You can't solve the problem this way. They sure won't.
And, if you are among those that believe that "going down to their level" is beneath you, or not in your format, you need to rethink that. Everyone that is "high minded" like this, loses. I know from experience.You must fight every battle at the level it comes for the opposition knows the message loud and clear. They have to know that you understand their position, make them understand YOURS , in their language.
So, Let me start....
Woffwatcher says:
They are lying to you.
I am here to help you, not to lie to you, and certainly not to hurt you or your family. They see me as someone trying to destroy them. They have already done that job much better than I ever could. I don't kike how they treat people. I don't like how they keep secrets. I don't like how they collect and spend your money. They are wrong. Jane is not Perfect.If you think that this loud, thorn in their side is just a rant blog, think again.
Yes, I am giving you ideas and perspective. Yes, I am inspiring you to stand up for yourself. Yes, I have a vested interest because I have family there.
I believe I have lesson-ed you and myself to exhaustion. So, future blogs will contain more calls to action, more like: "in your face". Hopefully more useful ways of confronting them and ideas on who to contact when they step out of line.
WOFF has a long trail of mistakes ready made for someone to blow the whistle. The sad part, WOFF doesn't think they've done anything wrong.
And I am not pinning my hopes on this blog ranting, or just providing links, or hoping YOU will take it upon yourself to turn them in to a government agency,etc.,WOFFWATCHER continues to be proactive until this mess is done.
-WOFFWATCHER
Saturday, August 4, 2012
Politics and Religion and Media
There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil - Remain detached from the great. - Walter Lippmann
Who you vote for for President is your own business but also a personal responsibility.
But WHY you vote for a particular candidate is key. And HOW you come to that conclusion.
Reasons like: "I just like the man", "He seems to be doing a good job" are as common as they are telling because they clearly show there that the individual was not really vetted by their constituent.
EMOTION is the element used in this kind of decision.
Emotion, to some people, trumps reasoning simply because they say so (see my earlier blog on why people think the way they do). It is because they have spent enough time rationalizing and therefore THIS IS THE ANSWER, THIS IS MY CONCLUSION. It is right because I HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MAKE UP MY MIND.
When questioned about their decision, they likely get defensive. In MY experience, every single person could not ever give me a policy stance on a particular candidate, state or local.They just liked the guy, or gave me deer in the headlights looks.
While every candidate routinely goes through their party's or campaign vetting process, some vetting is not as comprehensive. Take for instance the vetting of Sarah Palin for Vice President. Believe what you will, a look back now shows she was not prepared for this kind of office given the multiple gaffes and opportunities she missed to add value to her being the VP choice. Instead, she chose to dismiss the media. Followers quickly sided with her.
But they don't know WHY? They just made an emotional decision.
How about the tax situation with Mitt Romney? While running for governor 10 years ago, it was discovered that he did not reside in Massachusetts as he had claimed, but that he lived in Utah and later admitted as much. This came up during a vetting process and enhanced with further scrutiny by a persistent press.
Ultimately, the vetting process established that Mr. Romney indeed did not live in Massachusetts long enough to qualify to run for governor. But somehow he won the election.
The common response: "Well, that's because the media is biased".
No, it isn't. A person who decides on who to vote for in this fashion isn't qualified to say this. They have not done their homework on the subject. There is no substance, just emotion. They are just saying what everyone else is saying because everyone is saying it. Why? Well, they don't know...
If a person had substance and proof that the media (and we are talking about thousands of people here) was biased, then it could be argued.
However, I am here to tell you. some media outlets clearly show their colors. But it's not the common characterization that Fox News is to Republicans as MSNBC is to Democrats. Generally, the facts are clear on one network. The other misleads, mis-reports, makes up stories. What is astounding to me and many people is that their followers believe every single word. And we know better simply because the facts are loud and clear. Disagree all you want.
This sounds familiar. It happens with religion too.
TV news and talk radio is not the only place where people are misled and simply lied to by bombastic figures.
So, "I just like the Man (or Woman)" doesn't cut it folks. Then we wonder why we have so much trouble with our elected officials, particularly in Washington.
We need to learn how to vet this very important department of our lives just as we would if we were vetting a babysitter, or a neighborhood, school, church, people, when moving in to a new house.
People will say to me that they don't know enough about politics to join in a discussion or to know enough about the candidates.
Wrong.
It's GOVERNMENT. This is where you start. Politics comes later. First you learn the game, THEN you learn about the teams, then you learn about how THEY play the game.
Learn/know what the office the candidate seeks, does.
Learn/know that candidate's background.
Learn/know that candidate's position on policy.
Understand the policy or the issues.
Too hard?
Then, you have failed. And by failing this very important thing we do along with our other important things, this one is just guesswork at best, emotion for others or just blind faith as a politician once said.
Winston Churchill once said: The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Funny and true.
You mustn't fail at this. You don't need to know enough to spar with another at dinner or at a gathering. Too many times people don't discuss religion and politics is REALLY because someone doesn't want to lose an argument. Just learn as much as you can. This is too important a decision for you to make just based on emotion.
If you have the facts, then you never lose. The person on the other side of you may disagree, but they don't have the facts. They are talking themselves and those around them that THEY are right and YOU are WRONG.
Without facts, you can't convince anyone but yourself and ultitely you wind up hurting yourself. When done in numbers, this can have life changing consequences.
Car salesmen know this is one of many of your disadvantages going into a deal. They know what you don't know.
Many times you will do your car or house or big ticket item research based ON WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU. You aren't asking about things not covered. Sales people count on that.
ALWAYS listen to everything a person says, especially WHAT'S NOT BEING SAID.
This is why you should ASK QUESTIONS...about everything. Let people know you don't tolerate being kept in the dark.
Just about every one of WOFF's members vetted the "church" or Jane with emotion, blindly going through without enough to know what it entails.
Many at WOFF have doubts. And the numbers of doubters are increasing. I can tell by the number of hits I get on this blog as well as the staggering growth in readership in just one year.
Many people are quietly vetting from afar (South Africa, Finland, Sweden, Norway, South Korea, Brazil), finding the facts and deciding on their own. Others come here to see facts for themselves, member and non member and family members and government, etc.
Many come here for the "in your face" message I share with you, my many friends.
Good for all of you.
So folks, don't just"like the guy (or gal)", know what you're getting into.
A little logic, a little faith (in yourself, hey God is on YOUR side), and a whole lot of love, will set you free.
ASK QUESTIONS. DON'T SETTLE FOR ANY ANSWER. SETTLE ONLY FOR THE TRUTH.
WOFF is a culture where asking questions and or doubting may land you in the "Fourth Building". (and if you wind up there, simply refuse. If they take your phone away, call the police and file a report. If they keep you against your will, CALL THE POLICE....and finally, if you made the decision to leave and they somehow find a way to get you back, leave again..and this time don't let them find you) Faith Freedom Fund 828-286-2361.
There is no justification for punishing you if you have made up your mind to leave WOFF. Freedom to think and or change your mind is still sacred in this country, AND IS PROTECTED. If you are in the process of leaving, you have made up your mind and they have made up their mind to be angry at you and treat you accordingly. Lines have been drawn and there's no going back for either of you. Once done is done.
The WOFF culture is not set up to have it's members freely interact with the community or member's relatives.
It's all about control. Just listen to WHAT'S NOT BEING SAID. Jane controls the message.
WOFF cannot defend their practice if this free type of interaction with the outside was allowed into their environment (as it is in other churches and religions).
So, WOFF leadership tells it's membership WE (meaning WW, and I just howl every time this leaks out) and the MEDIA and THEIR FAMILIES are TELLING LIES AND TWISTING THE TRUTH, so we cannot trust them. Just like the network and pundits who lie to their viewers/listeners.
Yeah, it's brainwashing alright. How do I back that up? Look at the WOFF Waiver and look at the "while mind control may be used..."part of the waiver. That's brainwashing.
WOFF handlers control all media about Jane and media.
Does this mean WOFF is laying low? Yes. Well, sort of. This blog has changed that.
WW has learned that some of the local media is clearly indifferent and dismissive of WOFF when coverage has been discussed. News Directors and Assignment Desk people only want something to scream at them before it get's noticed. Some of them are lazy and set in their ways (you know who you are) and want the most obvious and shocking and compelling and ...you get the idea, stuff that's easy to pick.
Some of the kids on local Television, (they're just babies) don't know enough about the world despite having gone to college, to cover a story with any depth other than to gather as many facts as possible and then assemble them into a one minute, thirty second package without knowing to ask what wasn't covered in a person's statement, release or pool coverage. In other words, they didn't listen to what wasn't said.
Some will. They're the ones who yell the questions after the main news conference, as depicted in many movies. And those few greatly skilled journalists in the area, are the exception. You know who you are!
The truth will come out sooner or later. Some of us already know it.
-WOFFWATCHER
Who you vote for for President is your own business but also a personal responsibility.
But WHY you vote for a particular candidate is key. And HOW you come to that conclusion.
Reasons like: "I just like the man", "He seems to be doing a good job" are as common as they are telling because they clearly show there that the individual was not really vetted by their constituent.
EMOTION is the element used in this kind of decision.
Emotion, to some people, trumps reasoning simply because they say so (see my earlier blog on why people think the way they do). It is because they have spent enough time rationalizing and therefore THIS IS THE ANSWER, THIS IS MY CONCLUSION. It is right because I HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MAKE UP MY MIND.
When questioned about their decision, they likely get defensive. In MY experience, every single person could not ever give me a policy stance on a particular candidate, state or local.They just liked the guy, or gave me deer in the headlights looks.
While every candidate routinely goes through their party's or campaign vetting process, some vetting is not as comprehensive. Take for instance the vetting of Sarah Palin for Vice President. Believe what you will, a look back now shows she was not prepared for this kind of office given the multiple gaffes and opportunities she missed to add value to her being the VP choice. Instead, she chose to dismiss the media. Followers quickly sided with her.
But they don't know WHY? They just made an emotional decision.
How about the tax situation with Mitt Romney? While running for governor 10 years ago, it was discovered that he did not reside in Massachusetts as he had claimed, but that he lived in Utah and later admitted as much. This came up during a vetting process and enhanced with further scrutiny by a persistent press.
Ultimately, the vetting process established that Mr. Romney indeed did not live in Massachusetts long enough to qualify to run for governor. But somehow he won the election.
The common response: "Well, that's because the media is biased".
No, it isn't. A person who decides on who to vote for in this fashion isn't qualified to say this. They have not done their homework on the subject. There is no substance, just emotion. They are just saying what everyone else is saying because everyone is saying it. Why? Well, they don't know...
If a person had substance and proof that the media (and we are talking about thousands of people here) was biased, then it could be argued.
However, I am here to tell you. some media outlets clearly show their colors. But it's not the common characterization that Fox News is to Republicans as MSNBC is to Democrats. Generally, the facts are clear on one network. The other misleads, mis-reports, makes up stories. What is astounding to me and many people is that their followers believe every single word. And we know better simply because the facts are loud and clear. Disagree all you want.
This sounds familiar. It happens with religion too.
TV news and talk radio is not the only place where people are misled and simply lied to by bombastic figures.
So, "I just like the Man (or Woman)" doesn't cut it folks. Then we wonder why we have so much trouble with our elected officials, particularly in Washington.
We need to learn how to vet this very important department of our lives just as we would if we were vetting a babysitter, or a neighborhood, school, church, people, when moving in to a new house.
People will say to me that they don't know enough about politics to join in a discussion or to know enough about the candidates.
Wrong.
It's GOVERNMENT. This is where you start. Politics comes later. First you learn the game, THEN you learn about the teams, then you learn about how THEY play the game.
Learn/know what the office the candidate seeks, does.
Learn/know that candidate's background.
Learn/know that candidate's position on policy.
Understand the policy or the issues.
Too hard?
Then, you have failed. And by failing this very important thing we do along with our other important things, this one is just guesswork at best, emotion for others or just blind faith as a politician once said.
Winston Churchill once said: The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Funny and true.
You mustn't fail at this. You don't need to know enough to spar with another at dinner or at a gathering. Too many times people don't discuss religion and politics is REALLY because someone doesn't want to lose an argument. Just learn as much as you can. This is too important a decision for you to make just based on emotion.
If you have the facts, then you never lose. The person on the other side of you may disagree, but they don't have the facts. They are talking themselves and those around them that THEY are right and YOU are WRONG.
Without facts, you can't convince anyone but yourself and ultitely you wind up hurting yourself. When done in numbers, this can have life changing consequences.
Car salesmen know this is one of many of your disadvantages going into a deal. They know what you don't know.
Many times you will do your car or house or big ticket item research based ON WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU. You aren't asking about things not covered. Sales people count on that.
ALWAYS listen to everything a person says, especially WHAT'S NOT BEING SAID.
This is why you should ASK QUESTIONS...about everything. Let people know you don't tolerate being kept in the dark.
Just about every one of WOFF's members vetted the "church" or Jane with emotion, blindly going through without enough to know what it entails.
Many at WOFF have doubts. And the numbers of doubters are increasing. I can tell by the number of hits I get on this blog as well as the staggering growth in readership in just one year.
Many people are quietly vetting from afar (South Africa, Finland, Sweden, Norway, South Korea, Brazil), finding the facts and deciding on their own. Others come here to see facts for themselves, member and non member and family members and government, etc.
Many come here for the "in your face" message I share with you, my many friends.
Good for all of you.
So folks, don't just"like the guy (or gal)", know what you're getting into.
A little logic, a little faith (in yourself, hey God is on YOUR side), and a whole lot of love, will set you free.
ASK QUESTIONS. DON'T SETTLE FOR ANY ANSWER. SETTLE ONLY FOR THE TRUTH.
WOFF is a culture where asking questions and or doubting may land you in the "Fourth Building". (and if you wind up there, simply refuse. If they take your phone away, call the police and file a report. If they keep you against your will, CALL THE POLICE....and finally, if you made the decision to leave and they somehow find a way to get you back, leave again..and this time don't let them find you) Faith Freedom Fund 828-286-2361.
There is no justification for punishing you if you have made up your mind to leave WOFF. Freedom to think and or change your mind is still sacred in this country, AND IS PROTECTED. If you are in the process of leaving, you have made up your mind and they have made up their mind to be angry at you and treat you accordingly. Lines have been drawn and there's no going back for either of you. Once done is done.
The WOFF culture is not set up to have it's members freely interact with the community or member's relatives.
It's all about control. Just listen to WHAT'S NOT BEING SAID. Jane controls the message.
WOFF cannot defend their practice if this free type of interaction with the outside was allowed into their environment (as it is in other churches and religions).
So, WOFF leadership tells it's membership WE (meaning WW, and I just howl every time this leaks out) and the MEDIA and THEIR FAMILIES are TELLING LIES AND TWISTING THE TRUTH, so we cannot trust them. Just like the network and pundits who lie to their viewers/listeners.
Yeah, it's brainwashing alright. How do I back that up? Look at the WOFF Waiver and look at the "while mind control may be used..."part of the waiver. That's brainwashing.
WOFF handlers control all media about Jane and media.
Does this mean WOFF is laying low? Yes. Well, sort of. This blog has changed that.
WW has learned that some of the local media is clearly indifferent and dismissive of WOFF when coverage has been discussed. News Directors and Assignment Desk people only want something to scream at them before it get's noticed. Some of them are lazy and set in their ways (you know who you are) and want the most obvious and shocking and compelling and ...you get the idea, stuff that's easy to pick.
Some of the kids on local Television, (they're just babies) don't know enough about the world despite having gone to college, to cover a story with any depth other than to gather as many facts as possible and then assemble them into a one minute, thirty second package without knowing to ask what wasn't covered in a person's statement, release or pool coverage. In other words, they didn't listen to what wasn't said.
Some will. They're the ones who yell the questions after the main news conference, as depicted in many movies. And those few greatly skilled journalists in the area, are the exception. You know who you are!
The truth will come out sooner or later. Some of us already know it.
-WOFFWATCHER
Monday, July 16, 2012
A Letter to Families Of WOFF members and WOFFers with families outside
There is a sacredness in tears...
They are not the mark of weakness...
But of Power.
They are messengers of overwhelming grief..
And Unspeakable Love.
-Washington Irving
.
My Dear Friends:
I cannot begin to understand the anguish this "church" has caused you. I can only say that I share in that anguish as well.
We must be strong. We must have faith. We must do everything we can to get our loved ones out of there. We must never stop trying.
If our family members have forsaken us, we must forgive them, for it is the influence of fear and control of their environment that dictates their feelings for us.
Despite their words and actions, they need our help. Once out, they will still need our help.
I can only ask and beg to each of you to pray or get counseled or whatever it takes to prevent our collective grief and to some, justifiable anger, from escalating to dangerous acts and levels. It is the elephant in the room no one has talked about, yet.
I feel I must address this.
While Jim Jones, David Koresh, and other cults demise has been self inflicted, no one from outside these groups has taken upon themselves to commit a crime in the name of good of others. So, we will not be the first. We cannot condone violence. We cannot tolerate violence. We cannot consider violence. We cannot commit violence. We will not commit violence.
We must stay strong. We must remain vigilant. We must be pro active. We must pray. We must never give up hope.
It is my considered opinion that time spent in organizing groups or a group would be better spent in researching, making calls, praying, seeking help and thus make more of a difference than having meetings and assigning tasks. I believe we are better motivated when totally focused with one task. We can gather and rejoice later, either here or up there.
WW has pointed out areas where WOFF member and non WOFF member alike, within this series of blogs, where you can turn to for help. Look for links and contacts, feel free to comment or email WW. All correspondences will be confidential, unless you wish your comment be shared.
WW believes that WOFF is short in compliance in areas previously covered and all it would take is one report, one complaint, one phone call, one letter.....ONE BLOG....to bring WOFF to accountability.
Truth is our weapon. It is clean. It is Right. It is the only thing we need besides prayer and hope.
The solution is out there. Hopefully, you can use your talent and skills this way to constructively, lawfully, apply accordingly.
Our loved ones are more than worth it.
And if you fear they may never speak to you again, it would have been worth it to try. For it would be best to try and lose them than not do anything and certainly lose them.
Fear is not an option. We cannot put fear in the way of reuniting with our loved ones. That is simply not a luxury we can afford.
WW is determined. Are you? WW appeals to you to get moving.
WOFF is foolish to think that those of us in the outside will fail at forcing their accountability.
WOFFWATCHER
They are not the mark of weakness...
But of Power.
They are messengers of overwhelming grief..
And Unspeakable Love.
-Washington Irving
.
My Dear Friends:
I cannot begin to understand the anguish this "church" has caused you. I can only say that I share in that anguish as well.
We must be strong. We must have faith. We must do everything we can to get our loved ones out of there. We must never stop trying.
If our family members have forsaken us, we must forgive them, for it is the influence of fear and control of their environment that dictates their feelings for us.
Despite their words and actions, they need our help. Once out, they will still need our help.
I can only ask and beg to each of you to pray or get counseled or whatever it takes to prevent our collective grief and to some, justifiable anger, from escalating to dangerous acts and levels. It is the elephant in the room no one has talked about, yet.
I feel I must address this.
While Jim Jones, David Koresh, and other cults demise has been self inflicted, no one from outside these groups has taken upon themselves to commit a crime in the name of good of others. So, we will not be the first. We cannot condone violence. We cannot tolerate violence. We cannot consider violence. We cannot commit violence. We will not commit violence.
We must stay strong. We must remain vigilant. We must be pro active. We must pray. We must never give up hope.
It is my considered opinion that time spent in organizing groups or a group would be better spent in researching, making calls, praying, seeking help and thus make more of a difference than having meetings and assigning tasks. I believe we are better motivated when totally focused with one task. We can gather and rejoice later, either here or up there.
WW has pointed out areas where WOFF member and non WOFF member alike, within this series of blogs, where you can turn to for help. Look for links and contacts, feel free to comment or email WW. All correspondences will be confidential, unless you wish your comment be shared.
WW believes that WOFF is short in compliance in areas previously covered and all it would take is one report, one complaint, one phone call, one letter.....ONE BLOG....to bring WOFF to accountability.
Truth is our weapon. It is clean. It is Right. It is the only thing we need besides prayer and hope.
The solution is out there. Hopefully, you can use your talent and skills this way to constructively, lawfully, apply accordingly.
Our loved ones are more than worth it.
And if you fear they may never speak to you again, it would have been worth it to try. For it would be best to try and lose them than not do anything and certainly lose them.
Fear is not an option. We cannot put fear in the way of reuniting with our loved ones. That is simply not a luxury we can afford.
WW is determined. Are you? WW appeals to you to get moving.
WOFF is foolish to think that those of us in the outside will fail at forcing their accountability.
WOFFWATCHER
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