Let's Report To Leadership What We Heard.....Updated March 14, 2015

WW is quite aware that Devoted to Jane Woffers  (DTJWs), along with members of their crack "security detail,

report back to leadership, any and every piece of information that is said or written about WOFF or Jane or it's members or it's practices.

WOFF members tattling on one another, even lying about another to get them in trouble, is widely encouraged as an effective way to keep everyone in check, and in constant fear.

What the ( verb, adverb, adjective, command, interjection, noun) kind of religion does this?

Not a religion. It's someone's version of a religion. It's a religion where one person has convinced herself and apparently everybody that will listen, that WOFFers are the only ones going to heaven.

Give us all a very large break!

In the WOFF world their truths win. That's a tiny constituency and irrelevant to THE WORLD at large. But WOFF's actions are far from irrelevant to THE WORLD.

In THE WORLD outside the "church" the facts win. The law favors the truth. The law has been known to fix matters involving non truths.

Lies are what keep this "church" going. Lies are what are keeping families apart. Lies have produced what other hardships for some, as in two or three jobs, some not resulting in payment, and advantage and riches for others, such as swimming pools, furs, jewelry, art, 40+ acres, and a mansion.

Lies like: "If you leave, you will get cancer and die, or become a drug addict, or be sued for slander (if what you are accusing them of is true, then it isn't slander), or your family will disown you (NO, those characters want you to believe that because they are ORDERING your family to disown you, it's not of their own free will), or no one will ever love you again (oh please!), or, (my favorite) God will send you to hell. Oh please!

Jane has no way of knowing your future. You could be in hell now, and I must say with very nicely mowed lawns....and plenty of parking.

She doesn't know any of these things to be true, and she can't prove them. Not even the cancer deaths. God schedules those.

"Lies" are the stock answer given by WOFF'ers when asked about stories ex WOFF'ers tell regarding their experiences at WOFF. They are all "Lies". As if everything about WOFF were wonderful and perfect...

A cadre of lawyers, financial backers, affluent church members and cooperative politicians make the WOFF world possible. This is common knowledge around the Rutherfordton county region. Add a dose of fear, dismissal of the truth, testimonials from current members and leadership, illusion, delusion and deception, and you have WOFF version of credibility.

Although not common knowledge, but the enablers have been identified, and their individual futures and freedoms could be in question, if past, present and future investigations produce details resulting in indictment and conviction. Leadership and Jane's complacency along with complicated legal protection, will only give this mess more ammo for the feds and other agencies to examine.

This is why you must ASK QUESTIONS. Why you must DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. This why you must listen to everything said, but especially LISTEN TO WHAT IS NOT SAID.

WOFF leadership particularly, parses their words, that is, carefully edit, craft what is said, in the form of a statement.

While some corporate entities, even some religions organizations, use public relations to spin the truth, WOFF has it's lawyers, as well as their own measured language to parse and spin as well as refuse to respond, or answer with silence, as some lawyers like to say.

How is that right? A religion where people supposedly worship GOD, but they have lawyers who control the facts and operate in secret and money going in every direction?  This is a very Catholic model if there ever was one.

Here's how the outside sees WOFF:

• Secret Operation
• Controlled environment
• Carefully crafted culture
• Unequally distributed wealth

Regarding WOFF or WOFF-member incidents with law enforcement, government agencies and courts that in the last 15-20 years, WW has noticed that some or all of the testimony from victims or witnesses have been challenged by opposing counsel and resulted in an advantage for WOFF.

The reason for this is that the complainants don't have any idea how to help their counsel build a case. This isn't their fault. They aren't in the business of going to court and fighting a case. WOFF IS. They are old pros at it.

Since the WW blog has been online, an impressive amount of incidents involving WOFF and WOFF members has warranted the attention of local law enforcement. Check the links part of this blog for documented accounts.

If you think you have been a victim of a crime, that is, if YOU believe a crime was committed against you,  then you should stand for your rights. You can't, shouldn't, allow yourself or to continue to be a victim.  No, the process should be to promote yourself from victim to who you were before, just a whole lot stronger. Promote yourself from victim to plaintiff.

Civil rights violations are against the law. Such violations include keeping you against your will when you attempt to leave the church, as well as the subsequent "treatment "you get from the "leadership".


You can grow as a person if you take yourself out of follower and victim mode. Don't let someone else decide your life for you. They can never truly know what is inside you. They can tell you what you're thinking but they can't KNOW what you're thinking.

What you do with your life is between YOU and GOD, the way it was always intended to be. Take out the middle man. Or Women (plural) or Man Haters, after all, this is WOFF we're talking about.

Freedom of speech baby! Responsibly assembled facts stacked against your perceived juggernaut of defense, will always take you down.

-WOFFWATCHER

WAKE UP! EVERYBODY

No one ever sets out to join a cult.

But you did.
WOFFWATCHER knows, from the inside, the group is inspirational, loving and caring.

• But then, a line is crossed. 

• You have now joined a congregation that is:

• Dependent on secrecy... i.e. lifestyle, infrastrucure

• Results in Broken Families

• Has a formidable legal defense...but they don't argue on facts, rather manipulate the law to their own advantage.

• Claim that their theology is the only path that leads to heaven.

 Now, you have the true definition of a cult. A theater masquerading as a "church".

Most of us who think responsibly, know that structure in our lives is critical to our survival. It is a reason many seek this from their place of worship.

Our small infrastructure begins with:

• Our family.

• Our community

• Our work, and...

• Our God

Our common component to making decisions is based on trust.

We use trust as our rationale to help decide.

We trust sales people.

We trust real estate agents.

We trust banks.

We trust lawyers.

We trust doctors.

We trust journalists.

We trust our religious leaders.

We trust those politicians and parties we support.

We trust our spouse.

Most of these examples all have some suspicion, negativity, or reputation that we place on them.

Who benefits more from our trust? It, they, them or us?

Are they keeping information from us that would impact our decision?

Do we have the instinct, experience or information to ask more questions? Do you have the instinct to hear what's not been said?

Are our decisions sometimes clouded by a word, a phrase, an ideology, emotion, need, a personality, an atmosphere?

People sometimes fall in love blindly with other people, things, or beliefs. We go ahead without even considering the investment, discretion, benefits, or potential negative impacts.

People sometimes buy something they don't really need because they just like the salesman.What do they know about that salesman? Why might he be the BEST salesman? Sales? Satisfied customers?

Real estate agents may have an agenda on where to place you, how much money to get from you, despite your wishes. Why is there a long list of realty associations, federal and state agencies watching them? Why are there so many real estate companies and agents? Which are the good ones?

Are banks charging you hidden fees or more interest than they should? Did they foreclose on people dishonestly? Then why did the government establish a The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Why did banks and financial companies lobby so hard to keep the government from establishing this agency?


Doctors and Lawyers speak their own language. Do we even know what to ask them? Can we really believe them? How well are they protected if things go wrong? How well are WE protected if things go wrong? Again, what AREN'T they saying?

Do journalists tell the whole story? Do they have an agenda? How would you know true journalism?  Ultimately, it takes education, life experience, cultural experience, social tolerance, a little math and a little science to really know the difference between real journalism and the other stuff.

Everyone agrees that political leaders and parties are the most challenged group in this category. Some politicians can't get out of their own way. Others with good intentions fall prey to the temptations of holding such an important office. This subject evokes cynicism, mistrust, emotion and skepticism than most of the above. It has the same dynamics with the journalists comparison as well as the salesman, banks, doctors and lawyers and even real estate.

Your spouse is the person who knows you best. Trust is critical. Many spouses are questioning their other spouses about being in WOFF. Listen to your spouse if he/she has doubts or fear. LISTEN. PROTECT.

Religious leaders will sometimes downplay or dismiss challenge to their theology.
To whom do they answer? (earthly, that is) Financially? Responsibility? (see the Catholic Church) Morally?

Real faith is ALWAYS willing to be challenged. Don't accept: "we don't answer to anyone".

Jim Jones, David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, didn't, and moved their congregations to isolated areas, where they could be self sufficient, exploit the laws of smaller, less developed governments. Your "church" has defied that model and boldly has used money to gain power and protection within a system potentially already corrupted.

Those cult leaders, were fed by Power, Paranoia and Greed. Once cornered, they were prone to the destruction of their cult. All with some form of violence and or tragedy as the end result.

How will this play out?

So then......

We can all agree that checks and balances are necessary in all of these categories. Some were established to minimize fraud, and to promote their industry or belief.

We all look back on our decisions and either time or results will prove us right or wrong. Sometimes we don't know if we made the right decision, right away.

Decisions  -  Time   -   Results

We'll look back and find that we were either lazy, complacent, feel others values are the same as ours, and or fair minded, and then forget about it and go about our day. People with an agenda see that in you and can take advantage of that.

And, then you realize it has happened here, to you.

This is where we WAKE UP and see for our very eyes what has happened.

But there were always signs these examples would prove otherwise, and we miss those regularly. While we can't get them all, we could minimize mistakes by moving slower, more deliberate in our decision making.

We WANT to trust. Most importantly, We WANT, NEED..... to ALWAYS BE VIGILANT, especially with our own lives and those who for whom we care.

We MUST take responsibility for our choices and then modify those choice to bring us back to center.

This blog is about common sense and love, not lies.It's about your personal freedom.
This isn't taking you away from God. God will be there when you leave. God will be there when you find another church.

It's helping you see the lies being told to you about what happens to you when you leave this "church".It's helping you keep from being afraid about your every move. It's helping you understand and realize that someone watching your every move is not the love of God.

Your "church", enforced by it's leaders, enabled by their network on the outside to make all of this possible, is also enabled by you, because of your trust.

It might be a tough decision to make, very tough, for some people. The healing doesn't come until you confront the pain....and you should get help to get through this. For some people it's just like trying to come off of medication. It could be that critical.

You can right the choice you made. Ultimately, you have the freedom and the power to worship God in YOUR own way.

You can take control instead of others controlling you. Just start with NO.

The intentions here are not to confuse you.

They are intended to make you THINK.
THINK outside of your present "comfort" zone.
THINK for your life and for your family.
THINK because it is the right thing to do.
THINK if others controlling you is in your best interest.
THINK because you may be enabling something that may be ultimately bad for you.

If the feeling is that WOFF has outside obstacles, consider these facts:

• Numbers of people will affect change there by leaving the "church" and will impact potential membership.

• Atrocious, certainly laughable alleged attempts at surveillance. It is effective only for those who adhere to this kind of system. And dangerous.

• Journalism will bring global attention to this congregation's practices. Facts are stubborn things.

• How long will it take until the government opens an investigation?

• How long do you think people on the outside that work for businesses and organizations supporting WOFF will stay quiet?

But, Love will prevail. 

ASK QUESTIONS!
-WOFFWATCHER

Your Privacy: Are You Being Watched?

WW recently discovered a court case in California involving the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the alleged use of stalking and wire fraud over it's members.

From the ( 4Jehovah.org ) website:

From: Case Number 3:10-CV-03907-MEJ Document 50 filed in The United States District Court For The Northern District of California on May 23, 2011 and from the link:  http://4jehovah.org/images/stories/downloads/jehovahs_witness/spying/case-doc50-pp32-33.pdf 

In this case, the Plaintiffs Jonathan D Cobb, Sr and Walter Arlene St. Clair provide evidence of wire fraud on pages 32-33, where they state:

“The Defendants have utilized people with specific skills such as Mr. Bruce Radetich, who is an ex-police officer and now a security specialist who, it is believed has been employed in an effort to use illegal means to surreptitiously monitor phone calls in hopes of gaining information as to the possible direction the Plaintiff’s are heading with regard to legal matters. Certain personal cell phones of the Plaintiff’s as well as other parties closely associated with the Plaintiff’s appear as if they have been monitored by parties outside. One particular cell phone used by Jason Cobb was inspected by a cell phone specialist… where it was determined that the phone in question had been set up to allow a remote party to be able to intercept calls and monitor them. Milano the cell phone technician who worked on the cell phone in question has had nearly ten years of experience with various makes and models of phones and this party has agreed to testify about the state of the phone and the potential ramifications of what he discovered while working on Jason Cobb’s cell phone. The technician’s expert testimony can easily show intent and how far the Defendants, acting in consort with various confederates, are willing to go in an effort to try to conceal the true nature of this situation, not to mention clearly defining Wire Fraud issues.”  (end of website reference)

In reading many of these types of accounts online, isn't it reasonable to conclude that these practices are not proprietary?

Although the logic of: "If this has happened there, it MUST be happening here" would arguably become the primary thought, specifics and evidence, at the very least, would be needed to confirm this.

However, given documented accounts from former members over the years referencing behavior from WOFF, as it pertains to today's subject, give the casual observer reasonable grounds to conclude that SOME kind of alleged monitoring might also be practiced? If these appear similar, then isn't it interesting given that WOFF is said to have it's own "Security Specialist"?

WW asks questions: Do you have internet and or cable service? Is your internet company associated (that is, does it have members who are in WOFF?).

But then, what else? Who else has access (that you know about) to your: Cell Phone (there's an app for monitoring those monitoring you), computer log files kept by your isp, computer history, registry, (learn how your computer works and keep things private), mail (do you have a PO box? If you do and are asked about it in WOFF, ISN'T THAT EVIDENCE?)

Ask yourself.

Since July 2011, WW has pleaded with residents of Rutherfordton County, former members, current members contemplating leaving WOFF, people at banks, government and law enforcement who are NOT members, to TELL SOMEONE, if they have seen or have evidence (documentation) of anything that could or would get the attention of FEDERAL law enforcement and or GOVERNMENT agencies.

Now, that said, WW has reason to believe that some people in this area are afraid that SOME local authorities might be colluding with WOFF, thus taking a chance by going to someone for help when it might backfire. This is understandable. The local authorities in California weren't associated with the Jehovah's Witnesses and justice took it's course. The infrastructure here seemingly makes this task more difficult. But only SEEMINGLY.

However, area attorneys NOT associated with WOFF, particularly those who have defended others AGAINST WOFF, are most likely to know the players, and they could be a source of information that might prove useful. WW would start with them. They ALSO might know someone higher up who might be able to help.

WW also knows that people have contacted Washington agencies only to get thrown back to NC or regional offices that MIGHT be associated with WOFF. This can be frustrating unless you decide that there is no end to this, and you must see it through.

Specifics, names, truth, evidence, documentation, dates, times, quotes, actions, are among the most important elements in making your case and presenting it.

In calling an agency or calling on an agency in person you can encounter obstacles from the very beginning This can be enough to make anyone want to quit.

But don't. Here's how you get around it.

WW's rule of customer service: If you get someone that can't help you, it's because they: don't care, just killing time for a paycheck, barely got by the training and most likely needs additional training, and (this is true) don't like you (they might be having a bad day).

So, call that place again (or if in person, ask for someone else or go another time). WW GUARANTEES that if you do this, you will get a different answer, and probably one that will be helpful. This works every time, particularly with government employees who are now overworked due to budget and staff cuts, while some have an entitlement complex (again true).

Get AROUND conventional ways of dealing with people for this purpose. This is an unconventional situation, so you should approach it unconventionally. Read WW's earlier blog on Guerrilla tactics and how to deal with people.

People with evidence: You are out there.

Present Your Evidence to Authorities

Many people are affected by what is going on now.

YOU CAN CHANGE THAT.

ASK QUESTIONS
-WOFFWATCHER

Never Underestimate the Power of Determination

"Never doubt that a small group of dedicated people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has - Margaret Mead


The more ministries in question seem to feel confident that their legal, technical or infrastructural firewall is impenetrable, the more determined, talented, and motivated their opposition becomes.

A couple of examples include: the ways of creative financing the organization, and keeping members in check. These among many other areas have become more challenging to implement due to fragmentation of culture and advances in technology. While some of these methods of suppression have stood the test of time, ever changing technology compromises this kind of structure's integrity, then add a final and productive push from those determined to unveil secrecy and force transparency.

Common sense seeps through ideology and dogma that seems to go against a person's established beliefs, hence the reference about fragmented society. In these people you will find ex-"church" members, those contemplating escape, those still inside but doubting their method of worship and all that it entails.

Then there are those, in the name of their beliefs, or ordered to, who carry out activities that challenge established laws in our society.

Because WW, knows this exists, an here are more suggestions to apply to specific areas in question:

FCC
If you believe your internet or cable is being monitored by your local cable company, contact the FCC. Ask the local cable company if it employs people from a "church" that might conduct this practice. If they say no, contact the FCC anyway.

DSS
Some "Ministries" have been known to attempt to adopt children for their "church" to boost membership. Is this going on in your community? WHY?
ASK QUESTIONS

Department of Homeland Security
Are foreign visitors belonging to a "church" in your community being paid for their work? How?
ASK QUESTIONS

IRS
Is extra work being asked of "church" members for church "business" after putting in a full day of work at their jobs?
Do you work at a bank in this community?

US Dept. of Labor, Wage and Hour Division
How are people being paid for their work for the "church"?


The Police
If something that belongs to you is kept from you, report it.


Document EVERYTHING. It will be useful in an investigation.

An investigation will lead to the following types of coverage:

Interviews with whistle-blowers

Books

A Movie

A Documentary

Songs

Local, National, International News Coverage

Further Investigation

Victim Lawsuits

While those may view this as a blueprint for which to prepare and defend........it's too late..


"Only arrogance can dismiss the possibility of dismantling a potentially dangerous organization. Arrogance is a state of mind, unworthy of combating determination" -WOFFWATCHER

Investigations

About a year ago (January 6, 2011), the United States Senate Finance Committee submitted the results of their investigation of religious non-profit organizations associated with or operated by:
Kenneth Copeland Ministries, Creflo Dollar, Bishop Eddie Long, Paula White, Joyce Meyer Ministries, who cooperated with Grassley’s inquiry, and Benny Hinn.


Recent Huffington Post Article on Best Paid Pastors

The final report concluded that there were "no definitive findings of wrongdoing" and "no penalties for the pastors who refused to cooperate".

The ministries or "churches" replied with seemingly predictable behavior.

Hmm, why are these ministries so secret about their money? Why are so many "leaders" so wealthy?


Find More on the Investigations Here

Although this mission was well intended, the Senator's office and staff may have gone into this without anticipating this kind of reception. These results, although not surprising to WW and kindred spirits (WW readers, with the exception of WOFFWATCHER - watchers, who are not kindred), would most certainly be surprising to people unaware of insiders fierce loyalty to their ministry's system or culture and the lengths they will go to to protect it, notwithstanding the fear and intimidation used by the ministries toward it's members who might stray.

The individuals and their ministries were clearly defiant all the while gaming the system created by government, with a bit of help by lobbyists crafting this system, to distinguish them from other entities.

Huge respect and kudos, however to Senator Grassley's staff for forging ahead with this project. The results, such as they were, actually proved useful because of HOW the subjects of the investigation responded. This now leads to more questions and will certainly lead to more types of investigations, perhaps by other bodies of government, but particularly congress.

WW suggests congress because since Senator Grassley's office took this matter on, and his constituency is in IOWA and NOT North Carolina, it could mean that perhaps YOUR congressman/woman in YOUR district, anywhere in the United States, might feel compelled to start their OWN investigation into these types of ministries.

And why stop at those named in this latest investigation? Why not start with smaller, more local ministries? How about one relatively off the radar, but with similar infrastructure as those previously scrutinized, and with a seemingly rich leader.

Where might you find one like that, WW wonders?

So, if you folks locally feel constrained to contact your local congressman/woman because they fear they might be tied to a "church" in some way, you should still try.

If you're in, say, Orange City Florida, you can contact your congressman there, or Falls Church Virginia, or Coldwater Michigan or Goodlettsville, Tennessee, or San Diego, California, and ask them to conduct an investigation. It is unlikely that they will be tied to ANY NC "church" or ministry.

WW's suggestion to Senator Grassley's staff, if you plan on doing this again (and bless you guys for trying) is that you need a street fighter (no violence necessary or condoned, but someone tough as nails, fearless, if you will) to go in with you to help you with tactics they use and how to counter uncooperative people, you need more people in the grassroots (non church members but those who work with them and facilitate them) to help you gather information instead of insiders, study their unique infrastructure.

Here are a couple of  ideas to consider:

the RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) and HIPPAA (Health Information Privacy Act) statutes.

Although the purpose of the RICO statute is "the elimination of the infiltration of organized crime and racketeering into legitimate organizations operating in interstate commerce." S.Rep. No. 617, 91st Cong., 1st Sess. 76 (1969). However, the statute is sufficiently broad to encompass illegal activities relating to any enterprise affecting interstate or foreign commerce.

The U.S. Supreme Court has instructed federal courts to follow the continuity-plus-relationship test in order to determine whether the facts of a specific case give rise to an established pattern. Predicate acts are related if they "have the same or similar purposes, results, participants, victims, or methods of commission, or otherwise are interrelated by distinguishing characteristics and are not isolated events".

Perhaps RICO provides an opportunity to enable a full and proper legal investigation into day to day operations and infrastructure.

From the HHS.GOV website website:

"The HIPAA Privacy Rule provides federal protections for personal health information held by covered entities and gives patients an array of rights with respect to that information. At the same time, the Privacy Rule is balanced so that it permits the disclosure of personal health information needed for patient care and other important purposes.

The Security Rule specifies a series of administrative, physical, and technical safeguards for covered entities to use to assure the confidentiality, integrity, and availability of electronic protected health information. "

It is not unreasonable to consider an investigation in this category, as it applies to federal law, would apply to ministries that involve their church members to chaperon, observe, participate or otherwise accompany the church member that was getting treated, diagnosed, hospitalized, counseled by a physician or medical practitioner for a condition or disease or routine medical evaluation. Sometimes the clinic or medical practitioner may have ties to the ministry in order to make this practice possible.


Of course, these are just two areas of consideration. There are many more areas of potential investigation to explore.

-WOFFWATCHER

Tell a Friend......Ask Questions...Must Read Links

Today's final post of 2011 will feature, in WW's view, the most important links regarding WOFF.

Continue after reading the links as WW implores readers to Tell a Friend - Ask Questions.......And, if you are new to this blog and it's contents...read the previous posts and then read this one.

Start with religiouscultsinfo.com , the most insightful, comprehensive and compelling site around that specifically details the WOFF experience from a former member. Some stories are heartbreaking, some are devoted to analysis of mind control, and some are just down-right eye popping in their detail of the goings-on at WOFF. This beyond outstanding blog is a must-read.

Faith Freedom Fund. This link will confirm to the reader that there are serious people with good intentions toward helping those wanting to leave cult-based churches. These are good people who can and want to help. They have helped many people who have left WOFF. Bless these people!

The Trinity Foundation  is an investigative organization based in Dallas, TX, contains some dated, albeit interesting links about cults and has a history with WOFF in Spindale. They have a contact page and do answer the phone if you have questions or you have some useful info to share with them about WOFF. WW considers TF a kindred spirit.

Woffwatcher's links to Word of Faith Fellowship, Spindale, NC   This is the most visited post in the WW blog for 2011. All of the googling has been done for you! It's comprehensive, compelling  reading. Highlights include links to the "don't do" list, and "the waiver", with special thanks to religiouscultsinfo.com.

It might seem as WW is repeating this but.......

It has come to WW's attention that there are more than a few, if not a pretty significant number of people in the Rutherfordton area as well as families invested in WOFF, would like the local community to be pro-active and diligent in policing WOFF.

Although the sense of fear and indifference is still somewhat present, the mood appears to be changing.

Sensing this momentum shift, WOFFWATCHER urges you, the reader to TELL A FRIEND.

TELL A FRIEND about this blog and the three other important links addressing the WOFF.

TELL A FRIEND what you know (is true, not what you think is true) about WOFF.

ASK QUESTIONS

Ask current WOFF members, Ask ex-woff members, read these blogs, ask your local minister, priest or rabbi about WOFF, ask people you work with about WOFF.

Questions will help you some answers, though the most telling answers will be how those you ask behave toward you after you ask. Both Tell a Friend and Ask Questions will bring awareness to WOFF and will place more scrutiny on this organization.

The conclusion is yours. Be honest with yourself about facts and rumors.

Persistence, responsibility, diligence, will lead to results.

Once again: Clear minds, full hearts, can't lose.

-WOFFWATCHER